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    Archived Messages

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    "1","949402","6","Re; Re; pch 1||949402","PCH-1 Iss the USS High Point built in 1963 first used by the Coast Gaurd","2005-12-18","Marty","nopswd"," ","nomadness56@msn.com","942906"

    "2","944319","6","Re; pch 1||944319","HIGH POINT (PCH-1) is presently tied up in Astoria Oregon, where it has been for the last few years.

    ","2005-12-07","S. Arima","theboard"," ","SA_IHS_1980@verizon.net","942296"

    "3","942907","6","Re; pch 1||942907","Which one is PCH-1? Peter Squicciarini","2005-12-05","Peter Squicciarini","nopswd"," ","pdsquicciarini@msn.com","942296"

    "4","942906","6","Re; pch 1||942906","Which one is PCH-1? Peter Squicciarini","2005-12-05","Peter Squicciarini","nopswd"," ","pdsquicciarini@msn.com","942296"

    "5","942296","6"," pch 1||942296"," Wheres PCH-1 Now?","2005-12-04","Marty","nopswd"," ","nomadness56@msn.com","6"

    "6","888235","6","Re; lycoming avco LVHX1||888235","Tom, you would likely find a ready market for it on eBay; however before listing it there, you should be prepared for the possibility that it is US Government property that was never properly surplused and disposed of. You may get a protest to eBay if someone thinks that is the case and wants to recover it for a government agency or museum. I can't guess what the possibility of that happening is. It depends on who sees the listing. It wouldn't hurt to go back to the house where you bought it during the garage sale and ask where it came from. This projects dates back quite a few years, so it is possible that the person who had it has died.","2005-09-04","Barney C Black","nopswd"," "," ","886399"

    "7","886399","6","lycoming avco LVHX1||886399","I found at a garage sale a model with many moving parts of the LVHX1-1 mounted on a plat form board. Painted on the side is USMC 1 and 7321175 Plate on board says United States Marine Corps LVH X1 Bureau of Ships Lycoming Division,Avco Corporation Can take pics,and would like to sell it.","2005-08-31","Tom","nopswd"," ","tlambie@swfla.rr.com","6"

    "8","886398","6","lycoming avco LVHX1||886398","I found at a garage sale a model with many moving parts of the LVHX1-1 mounted on a plat form board. Painted on the side is USMC 1 and 7321175 Plate on board says United States Marine Corps LVH X1 Bureau of Ships Lycoming Division,Avco Corporation Can take pics,and would like to sell it.","2005-08-31","Tom","nopswd"," ","tlambie@swfla.rr.com","6"

    "9","882078","6","Re; Expanding Our Battle Space||882078","Peter. This is my second request for your telephone number. I do not want to chat with you on the website.

    My name is Gerry Levine. I'm located near Boca Raton Florida. My phone number is 561 734-0192.

    Please call me.","2005-08-23","Gerry Levine","nopswd"," ","gerrymega@adelphia.net","881219"

    "10","881219","6","Expanding Our Battle Space||881219","I saw a terrific 15 minutes of hydrofoil development segment on History
    Channel program "Mail Call". That's the show where the Gunny Sergeant
    takes letters for interesting questions and then broadcasts the spots. Now
    I know that most of you probably have seen this footage. But it was well
    done in a positive and interesting spotlight. Great footage of PEGASUS (my
    PHM experience) which still brought memories of excitement (tears too)!
    Other PHMs footage also. Developmental hydrofoils included. My point of
    sharing this with you is NOT hydrofoil technology (you guys invented and
    proved it!) but the point is to pass along that the hydrofoil is not
    forgotten and is now being shown to this new generation. The final
    interview/quote was that as things go around and around, hydrofoils will be
    back as the latest "new" idea (I said that before). Due and thanks to many
    of you. Legacy. Those who said you couldn't do it were shown you could
    (and did!) accomplish it. Keep watching! How about THIS "creative" idea?
    The high-speed catamaran is being embraced lately. My "warfare view" would be
    to equip that CAT with a number of fast-fast-fast hydrofoil "vehicles",
    either manned (like ASW LAMPS HELO) or unmanned with artificial
    intelligence, to act like multiple "stinger-bees" deployed from the CAT.
    Force "multiplier". More battle space covered, more situational awareness,
    more intell, huge stay time, all weather, sensor platform (no weapons needed
    as long range weapons delivered by CAT/other forces), and more benefits.
    Think about it. A "hydrofoil Predator" both inshore (LCS?) and offshore.
    Maybe riverine too?. Crazy? OK--would any of you like to send me their
    (creative) thoughts, both technical and tactical?? If those inputs were
    well thought out and articulated, I might (repeat "might") draft up a short
    article for NAVAL INSTITUTE /other submissions and perhaps their
    publication. NO MATH FORMULAS! NO CURVES! "Realm of the possible
    thinking ONLY"! Don't want to hear about lift, laminar flow, how big it
    can be made--but rather how "small" it can be made! If any takers and
    interest, then Over To You Guys. Exchange of practical ideas and
    applications is the only way-ahead, as I see it. Despite USN fixation on
    mega-Defense Contractors "dinosaur solutions", I think the time could be
    good to get a think-piece in front of the folks who have been ordered to
    think (wow, what a concept!). I know ADM Mike Mullen whom I'm somewhat
    close to, would be interested to see this. Applications with USCG/HLS could
    be foreseable despite their embalming circa 1939, pre-nuclear age. Q.E.D.
    Cheers to ALL,

    Peter Squicciarini","2005-08-22","Peter D. Squicciarini","nopswd"," ","pdsquicciarini@msn.com","6"

    "11","856778","6","Re; Congratulations on IHS Progress||856778","We need to talk. I'm a IHS member, my patents are starting to issue, and I'm almost ready to start cutting metal. My name is Gerry Levine, living in west Palm Beach Florida. Can you call me late Thursday afternoon. Your name is familiar, but I have not been reading BB messages in a long time. Do you know William O'Neill? He is somehat familiar with my work, however he is covered by an NDA.

    561 628 5940 or give me your number and I'll contact you.

    levinega@galusmarine.com","2005-07-06","Gerry Levine","nopswd"," ","gerrymega@adelphia.net","0"

    "12","856036","6","Congratulations on IHS Progress||856036","All IHS Board Members and Hydrofoil friends,

    I want to personally congratulate each and every one of you. Your interest and willingness, not often found in a volunteer group, keeps hydrofoils alive. And hydrofoils should be kept alive. All of us has seen (and I'm a relative newcomer from the '80s"the hydrofoil go around and around in the advanced technologies for the sea. Well, what with the rise of more and more high performance technologies now being built to go to sea for lots of purposes, I believe hydrofoils are about due--and very soon, at that. Navies want a down and dirty "Street Fighter". Well, the Cats are bumble bees compared to the "killer bees" of hydrofoils. Give it a bit more time, and especially IHS keepers of the faith, and we'll all see hydrofoils back again as a "great idea" by the "Establishment"---"invented here" paradigm. Stand by folks! Cheers to all, Peter Squicciarini. (JOHN--PLEASE pass this on to the website for all to see--THX, Peter)","2005-07-05","Peter Squicciarini","nopswd"," ","whitewn@speakeasy.net","0"

    "13","844511","6","Re; Lines/Plans for PHM Pegasus?||844511","You should visit http://www.foils.org/modelrc.htm and read the historical correspondence on PHM models that is archived there. Also see http://www.foils.org/models.htm . Here are some excerpts:

    "The Mariners' Museum's Scale Ship Model Competition and Exhibition 2000," Scale Ship Modeler (ISSN 1066-0275), Nov/Dec 2000 (Vol. 23, No. 5), pp. 36-37, 62. Features a 1:48 scale model of PHM-1 USS PEGASUS. Modeler Dean Leary of Statesville NC was awarded the Gold Medal under the Division I (Scratchbuilt) Class B (Powered Ships) category. "The Scale Ship Model Competition and Exhibition 2000 ran from June 17 until October 28, 2000. During these dates, visitors were able to see the top ship models in the world and participate in various activities associated with the exhibition on the opening weekend. For more information about the competition and exhibition, call The Mariners' Museum at (757) 596-222 or (800) 596-2222, or write to: The Mariners' Museum, 100 Museum Drive, Newport, VA 23606, or visit their Web site: www.mariner.org"

    Marine Modeling Monthly, March 1991, contains photos and drawings of the PHM Class; purpose of the article is to provide details to modellers of the PHM Class.

    We have a pretty good set of plans from "Floating Drydock" now. Floating Drydock is a Plan service company. They now have a couple different scale plan drawings and sets of PHMs: Hull, faired lines and stations USS PEGASUS Builders plans outboard profile and plan view, and deckhouse details, model builders set showing main deck, outboard profile bridge superstructure deck, platforms, some hull sections, general arrangements, and longitudinal cross section

    White Ensign Models (WEM) offers a new 1:350 scale model kit for PHM 1 USS PEGASUS, and it's a beauty. Click Here for details/photo. The company ships orders worldwide. Felix Bustelo has created a webpage devoted to this model with photos, hints, and reviewer comments. That page is at http://warship.simplenet.com/wem_pegasus.htm. [regrettably, Felix Bustelo's site seems to have disappeared from the web. - Editor] Thanks to Steve Novell (steve.novell@av.com) for bringing this item to our attention. He notes that "The model thing is close enough that you can make just minor adjustments (adding H bits to the main deck, relocating the radar to the mast etc.)"","2005-06-11","Barney C Black","poopdeck"," "," ","0"

    "14","843267","6","Re; Lines/Plans for PHM Pegasus?||843267","Boeing Aircraft of Seattle, Washington designed the PEGASUS Class PHMs.
    Jerry Grasmick
    MK 75 Gun System Engineer","2005-06-09","Jerry R. Grasmick, E.E.","nopswd"," "," ","0"

    "15","842578","6","Lines/Plans for PHM Pegasus?||842578","Dear Sirs,

    I have recently built the Italian Hydrofoil Sparviero as none working
    modell in 1/72nd. (see picture following).

    (See attached file: Sparviero_frontsideview2.jpg)

    I´d like to build next the PHM Pegasus also as none working display modell
    scale 1/72nd.

    Do you know where to get accurate plans / drawings including line drawings
    of the hull?

    Best regards

    Markus Schott
    Germany","2005-06-08","Markus Schott","nopswd"," ","Markus.Schott@LBBW.de","0"

    "16","792473","6","TUCUMCARI||792473","Hello,

    For the past 26 years I have served as a project supervisor creating museum exhibits in honor of U.S. vets and those of our allies. Some of the venues I have done work for include the USS Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum and the Museum of Polish Military Heritage in America, both in New York City. Load my name Mike Dobrzelecki into a Google Search Engine and you'll see examples of some of my work on two continents over the years.

    I saw your name & email on the IHS website and hope you can provide some help on a research project concerning the Tucumcari PGH-2.

    I built the old Aurora kit when it first came out in the late 1960's early 1970's (?) and not too long ago picked up a derelict unpainted damaged built-up, as well as a pristine complete kit still in the original box. I even still have some parts from my original build model.

    My intent is to build one 'flying' and one in the water with its struts and foils folded up and possibly write a good article on the Tucumcari.

    I have everything available on the internet for this fascinating hydrofoil, as well as, the old Sea Clasics issue with the Tucumcari on the cover. Recently, I obtained a copy of the History Channel Mail Call episode with the world's most famous D.I. narrating exquisite video of the this fast-fighting boat in action - great footage, BTW. I have even manage to track down some of its crew for personal interviews. Most frustratingly, the crew I talked to so far all stated that their photos went missing during moves over the years.

    I am looking for more photos including details of the interior, the exterior fit on the cockpit/bridge and upper surface of the hull and an answer to what's in the large opening aft of the .50 cals and masts/antennae. I would also like to track down some more crew and any other books or naval history magazine articles on the the Tucumcari. Any leads would be appreciated.

    Mike Dobrzelecki
    3040 Clayton Street
    Easton PA 18045
    ","2005-03-07","Mike Dobrzelecki ","members"," ","Michael_Dobrzelecki@fwc.com","0"

    "17","779659","6","Re: Aries project?||779659","I suggest you contact Eliot James directly via the website at http://www.ussaries.org/ for an answer. I don't think he monitors this BBS, and so would not see your question. If you find out anything, please come back and post it so the rest of us can have the update!","2005-02-10","Barney C Black","poopdeck"," ","bcblack@erols.com","0"

    "18","776047","6","Aries project?||776047","Is the Aries project going forward? The last update I can find was Aug 03. If not is there anything we can do to help?","2005-02-04","Chuck Shannon","nopswd"," ","ChuckE68@aol.com","0"

    "19","770610","6","Refueling PEGASUS Pictures- 20 March 78||770610","Pete

    Attached as a Adobe pdf file are the PHM Pegasus refueling at sea pictures I mentioned from my first post.

    Jill Baron","2005-01-25"," Jim Baron","foilsadm"," "," ","0"

    "20","770511","6","vs8 pictures||770511","I am looking for any pictures of the vs8 particularly on the prop rudder area - I can not contact challenge publications to see if they had an old copy of the scale modeler magazine from july 82 which showed photos of the 32nd parallel kit","2005-01-25","David Short","nopswd"," ","davidsh@internode.on.net","0"

    "21","770150","6","Re: PHM Pegasus Refueling Pics 20 Mar 78||770150","Any possible way to send me Pegasus pix refueling as simple attachment? Cheers, Peter Squicciarini (p.s.>>>the bbs@foils.com is superb!)","2005-01-25","pdsquicciarini@msn.com","nopswd"," ","Pete Squicciarini","0"

    "22","769886","6","PHM Pegasus Refueling Pics 20 Mar 78||769886"," I was onboard USS OGDEN from 1978-1980.

    Looking in my Westpac 78 Cruisebook - page 6 is titled "20 March - Refueling PEGASUS."
    I remember the day well. Was the strangest looking boat I ever saw!

    Attached is the page from the 1978 cruisebook showing the refuleing operations.

    Thanks - Jim. Happy to scan and send - Jim Baron (JOCS(SW), USN Ret.)

    ","2005-01-24"," Jim Baron","members"," "," ","0"

    "23","746897","6","HMCS Brasd'or||746897","Thanks for the interesting webpage. Our Powers to be are making me laugh right now but cutting our forces down again even further and complaining of costs to outfit our fight forces with descent equipment. I suggested to them that they reconsider this design and get rid of the destroyers that require a staff of 250+. This little baby with today's technology would be awesome for coastal patrols, even on the great lakes and for rescue.

    Say what you want, I agree with your article, just like the Avro Arrow, that ship will still out do anything around today.... Thanks again.","2004-12-03","Walter Argent Jr.","nopswd"," ","wargent@msn.com","0"

    "24","706035","6","Re: EX PLAINVIEW CREWMEMBER||706035","Did not know if you saw this...

    http://www.foils.org/plainvw.htm","2004-09-09","Dan Schmidt","nopswd"," ","gse2schmidt@hotmail.com","0"

    "25","703662","6","EX PLAINVIEW CREWMEMBER||703662","Just happened to stumble across this site trying to explain a hydrofoil to a co-worker. Most of the messages are extremely old but I do recognize several names.----o to Skipper Hudson, Mr Bender and Mick and Sumi. I was the last Ship's Yeoman of the mighty Plainview and one of the last to walk ashore. Seeing how she ended up was sad and I'm sure by now that is has been scrapped. One thing I will always remember that I was able to numerous things outside my rating, i.e. radar, plotting, and taking those darn soundings at 2 in the morning. YNCM(SW) Dennis Clark, USN, RET","2004-09-02","Dennis Clark","guest"," ","denbon@honeywell.com","0"

     

     

    Archive; USN PHM Hydrofoil Missile Ships


    PHM Interior Paint Color      ViewThread
      I have read the foils.org web site with great interest and have seen the responses that ET1 Desendi (USS Aquilla) was saying about the interior color of the Aries. Being stationed aboard her and being the lowest ranking member of the Combat Systems department (FC2) I did my fair share of painting. The interior color of the Aries, at decommissioning, was a color that Cmdr. Nichols had the Boats especially mix up. Boats called it Ticonderoga grey. It was white with just a tinge of Haze Grey mixed in. It wasn't a bad color actually. The mess deck had the Rams Head. I don't recall what happened to it after we decommissioned. I have some pictures of the Aries that might be of some help if you have specific questions. I also have some pictures of the running aground in Corpus Christie.
      [Date/Time=05-04-2002 - 8:16 AM]    Name:Victor (Flo) Nightingale Victor_Nightingale@gbophb.org, [Msgid=255273]

    PHM Interior Paint Color
      Victor

      Thanks for your input to the PHM history.
      We would love to acquire any photos or other information you have that we can add to our PHM files, newsletter and our Photo Albums.

      Bill White
      [Date/Time=05-04-2002 - 9:11 PM]    Name:Bill White Asst Webmaster whitewn@speakeasy.net, [Msgid=255475]

    Veteran of PHM-3 and HIGH POINT      ViewThread
      I am a Plank Owner on the USS TAURUS (PHM-3). I worked in the engineering department a GSM2. I also worked on the USS HIGHPOINT(PCH-1) -- Henry Jakobson GSCS(SW)Ret
      [Date/Time=06-02-2002 - 2:14 PM]    Name:Henry Jakobson jakobson@bellsouth.net, [Msgid=266590]

    Veteran of PHM-3 and HIGH POINT
      Have you visited the foils.org/restore.htm part of the site? PHM-5 lives on PHM-3,4,6 hang in the balance...
      [Date/Time=06-03-2002 - 10:36 PM]    Name:Dan Schmidt GSE2Schmidt@hotmail.com, [Msgid=267169]

    Former Hydrofoiler
      I just found this website so I haven't had the opportunity to brouse through all of it. I'm pleased to see there are other "hydrofoil" sailors out there that were as proud to serve as I was. I had the pleasure of being one of the last crewmembers of the Boeing built Tucumcari PGH-2 which was assigned to the Little Creek Naval Amphibias base in Norfolk, VA. (We found out how hard a coral reef can be at 40 knots when operating down near Puerto Rico.) I was then assigned to be a member of the first crew of Pegasus PHM-1 and had the pleasure of being there to see it launched at the Boeing Plant in Renton, WA. What great duty! Thanks for the memories!!
      [Date/Time=06-14-2002 - 3:37 PM]    Name:Fred Wieber fwieber@ionia-mi.net, [Msgid=271733]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft      ViewThread
      Need investors to back a project to design, build and present to the USN Special Warfare Group as an Unsolicited Proposal for a hydrofoil vessel that could deliver a Seal Team to the battle without breaking their bones or getting them deathly ill. Just attended the MACC, (Multi Agency Craft Conference at Little Creek. The timing is right. There were fast boats presented. None could perform their mission in anything other than a flat, calm sea. I am available to contribute my 10 years of hydrofoil experience through my company, American Marine Consultants, LLC
      Ken Plyler, ENCM USN Ret.
      [Date/Time=06-20-2002 - 7:32 PM]    Name:Kenneth F. Plyler kfppfk@aol.com, [Msgid=273911]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      MASTER CHIEF,
      WASN'T THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THE "PC" CLASS PROGRAM, LITTORAL WATERS BATTLE AND SEAL TEAM DELIVERY ?
      THE PHM COULD DELIVER A SEAL TEAM IN LITTORALS AND IN ANY SEA STATE, OH, BUT THEY WERE TOO EXPENSIVE.
      ROB DeSENDI, USS AQUILA PHM-4
      [Date/Time=07-15-2002 - 12:31 PM]    Name:ROB DESENDI rdesendi@nsmayport.spear.navy.mil, [Msgid=282611]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      Master Chief,
      I agree with Rob. I was onboard USS Gemini PHM-6. We were fast on the foils and did some test with SEAL Teams. The problems were encountered because we had to go "hullborne" vice "foilborne" to insert the teams. When hullborne, the seas rocked us around pretty good. Not much different than the current PC's.
      [Date/Time=07-15-2002 - 1:03 PM]    Name:ITC(SW) Rich Powell rpowe, [Msgid=282632]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      Master Chief,
      I agree with Rob. I was onboard USS Gemini PHM-6. We were fast on the foils and did some test with SEAL Teams. The problems were encountered because we had to go "hullborne" vice "foilborne" to insert the teams. When hullborne, the seas rocked us around pretty good. Not much different than the current PC's.
      [Date/Time=07-15-2002 - 1:04 PM]    Name:ITC(SW) Rich Powell rpowe, [Msgid=282634]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      My two cents. I was a Naval Architect at the David Taylor Model Basin supporting the PHMS back in those days and my memory matches yours exactly.

      A few years later in the mid 80s, I had the good fortune along with Cdr Dave Patch to work with the French Navy in Toulon Fr.

      They showed us a Catamaran Hydrofoil design that they had experimented with that would be perfect for todays missions. The catamaran hull shape gave twice the volume inside as the PHMs on an equivalent length hull. This Catamaran Hydrofoil had a nice wide stern for carrying and launching RIBS etc. In addition, the craft was much more stable hullborne do to the wide beam and also could do 20+ kts hullborne with the foils up. The Foils were mounted in the four catamaran corners at the bow and stern. They could be raised and lowered vertically to dramatically reduce hullborne draft. I don't remember if the height could be changed while they were foilborne for shallow water ops. With todays sophisticated control systems such a four foil system could be used while hullborne to reduce pitch and roll motions as well as when foilborne.

      Other than possibly a Surface Effect Craft, nothing comes close in terms of performance (Speed, Maneuverability and Sea state) flexibility, Deck area and internal volume based on all my knowledge.

      Most all the competion such as long slender hulls, Trimarans, Catamarans and other more exotic variants fail in one or the other military attributes. The problem is that none of the promotors ever let a one on one comparative analysis occur.

      Even the US Navy's own comparisons over the years have been no better. Though often the reason is a lack of knowledge rather than any particular bias of the participants. For an example, I can remember for years trying to convince people that just because the PHM was designed for under 10 kt hullborne on Diesels that there was no physical reason that said it had to be a true limitaion for all future Hydrofoils. And yet to this today a lot of people think that 20 kts is a very inefficient Hydrofoil speed. And this automatically eliminates them from consideration, since the Navy often cruises at that speed.

      Anyway, Rob Best of luck. Wish I had the $ to help.

      Bill White




      [Date/Time=07-15-2002 - 2:24 PM]    Name:Bill White whitewn@speakeasy.net, [Msgid=282664]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      I think the issue would be the transition and noise factor, we were quiet till we got near someone with the FB engine but need an easy trans from H/b to F/b and a way to easily retract to give low draft!
      [Date/Time=07-16-2002 - 6:14 PM]    Name:Mike Boyle EN1 USS Aquila mdboyle2@cox.net, [Msgid=283203]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      Mike

      You make two good points.
      We tried underwater exhausts, for awhile. They worked, but reduced engine life due to increased back pressure.

      Bill White
      [Date/Time=07-16-2002 - 7:01 PM]    Name:Bill White whitewn@speakeasy.net, [Msgid=283226]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      I had no experience with the PHM. I do rememer the original PHM-2. It was never built. When the FRG, (Federal Republic of Germany). pulled out of the program, PHM-2 was cancelled and the whole program was put on the back burner. Our PHM fleet consisted of Pegasus PHM-1. The pile of aluminum that was to be PHM-2 was sold for scrap, as I remember.
      [Date/Time=07-17-2002 - 7:19 AM]    Name:Ken Plyler kfppfk@aol.com, [Msgid=283386]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      Actually, Ken, PHM-2 was eventually completed, delivering in about 1983, as I recall. We also built PHM-3,-4,-5 and -6 and operated the six ships out of Key West until their decommissioning in 1993.

      PHM-2 was actually the last PHM to deliver. For details on that strange arrangement and a summary of the whole six-ship program check out my article on the history of the PHM program on the main IHS website, at http://www.foils.org/phmhist.pdf.

      You are right in saying that PHM-2's construction was back-burnered for a while. But the "pile of aluminum that was to be PHM-2" was not sold for scrap. It was actually used (quietly) as a spare parts locker for PHM-1 until construction started up on PHM-2 again.

      All the best,

      George
      [Date/Time=07-17-2002 - 10:55 AM]    Name:George Jenkins Georgejj@aol.com, [Msgid=283458]

    High Speed Hydrofoil Assault Craft
      George, it appears that you have done your homework. Anyone interested in the real PHM story should, by all means, read your PHM History. WOW! I was glued to the article. Thanks.
      Ken Plyler
      [Date/Time=07-17-2002 - 12:26 PM]    Name:Ken Plyler kfppfk@aol.com, [Msgid=283501]


      Thank you, Ken -- glad you enjoyed the article. Good luck on your High Speed Assault Craft --

      George
      [Date/Time=07-17-2002 - 12:55 PM]    Name:George Jenkins Georgejj@aol.com, [Msgid=283517]

    HIGH POINT Update      ViewThread
      I just found out the web site is down or gone I'll figure that out. I've been working on the electrical systems, what a mess, as I have
      no intention of replacing the military electronics or the monitoring systems for test purposes that were originally on board. Just figuring out what is needed and what is not is a pretty good size job. Most of my time hasn't been spent working on the boat; due to other projects so my time is very thin right now. I'll see what I
      can do to get the web site located or back up or whatever is wrong there and let you know.

      [Date/Time=08-25-2002 - 7:35 PM]    Name:Bob Phillips rpstander@bigplanet.com, [Msgid=300986]

    HIGH POINT Update
      Let me know if I can assist you with your website. I have worked with Mr. Barney Black.
      Regards.
      Vladimir Algin
      [Date/Time=08-26-2002 - 3:27 AM]    Name:Vladimir Algin valgin@ltsu.net, [Msgid=301121]

    Vietnam LPH-5 Info Needed
      Do you know anything about the USS Princeton LPH-5 in the area of VietNam 1961-62-63-64? Please contact me...
      [Date/Time=09-07-2002 - 6:31 AM]    Name:Mike Mikemarine4@aol.com, [Msgid=306491]

    Tested HIGH POCKETS
      I was on the crew that tested HIGH POCKETS at Little Creek in the 1950s. It was pretty basic at that time and had to be adjusted by hand-cranking a series of small wheels that were mounted across the cockpit. It was fast but not too stable. I can't remember who was on the crew with me, but the ride was exciting. I remember we took a trip to Patuxent Naval Air sta. on the 63 ft. Avr's and shortly thereafter HIGH POCKETS arrived at our base at Little Creek. We took her out in the bay just outside the jetty and opened her up. I don't think I ever envisioned going that fast over water? "wow" she was fast! We hit a paper bag, and the foil on the starboard side got out of trim. The boat dug in and popped back like a cork. We got thrown around but no injuries, so we continued the run. It was a blast. I believe we had it on operations at Moorhead City also, although I don't remember just how it was used there. This picture was included in an article I wrote for the Blast Magazine, October 2001 edition.


      [Date/Time=09-14-2002 - 8:22 PM]    Name:Jake McAndrew PLIERS2222@aol.com, [Msgid=309794]

    Pictures if you need them      ViewThread
      Hello, this is GSCS Brian Markey, I was stationed on USS GEMINI (PHM-6) from 89-92. I have pictures of the foils with the Coast Guard and the LCAC's. I remember those crafts well. They did a hell of a job and it was a shame that they were retired. If you need any information on the SSPU's or the LM 2500, let me know.
      [Date/Time=11-07-2002 - 7:34 PM]    Name:Brian Markey bfm@carney.navy.mil, [Msgid=335073]

    Pictures if you need them
      Senior,

      I am in the process of putting together a short presentation on PHMs for the American Society of Naval Engineers. I would very much like to include some of your pictures of PHMs with the USCG, if they can be sent to me electronically. My email address is georgejj@aol.com.

      Thanks!

      George Jenkins

      [Date/Time=11-08-2002 - 9:37 AM]    Name:George Jenkins georgejj@aol.com, [Msgid=335242]

    Pictures if you need them
      Senior,

      I am in the process of putting together a short presentation on PHMs for the American Society of Naval Engineers. I would very much like to include some of your pictures of PHMs with the USCG, if they can be sent to me electronically. My email address is georgejj@aol.com.

      Thanks!

      George Jenkins

      [Date/Time=11-08-2002 - 9:37 AM]    Name:George Jenkins georgejj@aol.com, [Msgid=335243]

    Replacement GTE for PHM-5
      Thanks, Dan, I will pass this on to Eliot James to make sure they see it immediately for PHM-5
      [Date/Time=11-24-2002 - 8:43 AM]    Name:Barney C Black webmaster@foils.org, [Msgid=342701]

    USS Plainview (AGEH-1)      ViewThread
      re: USS Plainview (AGEH-1) in the mid to late 1970's

      Wondering if anyone knows what ever happened to:

      (1) Sib Lebeau, the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard Pipefitter Foreman assigned to assist HYSTU and the Plainview during the overhaul / conversion that finally fixed the hydraulic system problems?

      (2) MS1 John DeRosa the Plainview's cook?


      [Date/Time=11-26-2002 - 7:35 AM]    Name:Greg Bender glbender@erols.com, [Msgid=343547]

    USS Plainview (AGEH-1)
      Hi Greg,
      Sib lost his eye sight and retired from PSNS. He died a few years after retirement.
      Sumi

      [Date/Time=11-27-2002 - 3:38 PM]    Name:S. Arima arimas1@juno.com, [Msgid=344267]

    Pictures if you need them
      Dan,
      ----o this is GSCS Brian Markey, I was on the USS GEMIN PHM 6 for 3 years. I am presently on the USS Carney DDG 64. The engine that you found looks fine. The egg oil system looks about right but it was mounted on the opposite side on the module wall. They might need more piping to accomodate this as an install. The fuel manifold looks fine from what I can tell in the picture.
      Respectfully,
      GSCS Brian Markey
      [Date/Time=12-02-2002 - 3:25 PM]    Name:Brian Markey bfm@carney.navy.mil, [Msgid=345791]

    HIGH POINT or HIGHPOINT      ViewThread
      Is the correct name of PCH-1 HIGH POINT (two words) or HIGHPOINT (one word)? The IHS newsletter is not consistent on this.
      [Date/Time=12-30-2002 - 8:20 AM]    Name:Martin Grimm seaflite@alphalink.com.au, [Msgid=356665]

    Re; HIGH POINT or HIGHPOINT
      High Point (PCH-1) is named for the city of High Point North Carolina and is two words. I retired from High Point in 1965 and recently donaterd to the city my plaque pictures etc. Dale K. Beresford, QMc, USN (ret)
      [Date/Time=12-31-2002 - 2:57 PM]    Name:Dale Beresford dalkar1@msn.com, [Msgid=357211]

    PEGASUS Crew During Development      ViewThread
      I was wondering if you have or know someone who could provide me a crew list for the PHM-1 PEGASUS. My father Robert Sobota was a crew member during testing and development. Any information would help.

      [Date/Time=01-29-2003 - 9:40 PM]    Name:Jamie E. Sobota Jamie.Sobota@edwards.af.mil, [Msgid=369328]

    Re; PEGASUS Crew During Development
      You should take a look at the correspondence on our page at http://www.foils.org/restore.htm and see if there are any individuals there that you could contact directly for information based on what they said in their posting. Also, you might be interested in the following unfortunate notice from our announcements page:

      [22 Dec 02] It is with regret that IHS reports the death of CDR Erich H. Ashburn, USN [Ret]. CDR Ashburn was OINC of PEGASUS throughout the Operational Evaluation (OPEVAL) process.

      [Date/Time=01-29-2003 - 9:42 PM]    Name:Barney C Black webmaster@foils.org, [Msgid=369330]

    Want a ride on Hydrofoil
      I have been studying HYDROFOIL designs, and think I have "nailed" it. Now need to ride on someone's craft. I live in South Florida but am willing to go anywhere in NA for an extended ride. Any one have an operating Hydrofoil Boat who can accomodate my request?
      [Date/Time=06-03-2003 - 7:31 AM]    Name:Gerry Levine gerrymega@adelphia.net, [Msgid=446221]

    PHMRON 2 Veterans
      This July 30th will be the 10th anniversary of the PHM squadron decommissioning. I wish to extend all best wishes to our shipmates, the veterans of the PHM crews, MLSG and PHM Squadron 2 staff. I look forward to raising a glass (splice the main brace)at Turtle Krawls in Key West on this date, to you all.
      [Date/Time=06-16-2003 - 4:59 AM]    Name:steve novell (Jolly-OS1, PHM1) sjnovell@mindspring.com, [Msgid=453351]

    Titan Aluminum X-Craft Experiment      ViewThread
      According to a July 11, 2003 article in Financial Times Limited, which was sent in by IHS member Nat Kobitz, Titan Corp is the US Navy's Office of Naval Research (ONR) prime contractor in a USD 59.9m project to produce an all aluminum, 73 m catamaran X-Craft as a test platform. The vessel will be constructed by Nichols Brothers Boat Builders of Washington state. According to the article, the X-Craft will be "capable of making 50 knots at its full 1,100-ton displacement" and "will be capable of carrying its own weight in payload." The article goes on to state that "The design philosophy is based on the requirement to carry heavy modular payloads," and fuel for "a range of 4,000 nautical miles."



      [Date/Time=07-25-2003 - 7:28 PM]    Name:Barney C Black webmaster@foils.org, [Msgid=476274]

    Re; Titan Aluminum X-Craft Experiment
      I hope there is no expectation within ONR that the 50 knots speed AND
      4000 nautical mile range will be achieved at the same time, not unless
      the payload is Helium!?
      [Date/Time=07-25-2003 - 7:30 PM]    Name:Martin Grimm seaflite@alphalink.com.au, [Msgid=476278]

    Re; Titan Aluminum X-Craft Experiment
      I'm fairly certain that the 4,000 n miles is at 20 knots or less. The only way you can make the 4,000 miles at about 30 knots in a small ship with a 10 to 20% payload, is with HYSWAS (esecially in any kind of a sea state). I believe MAPC's 2200 ton HYSWAS design shows this.
      [Date/Time=07-25-2003 - 7:35 PM]    Name:John Meyer editor@foils.org, [Msgid=476280]

    Re; Titan Aluminum X-Craft Experiment      ViewThread
      The HIGH L/B SES we developed after the 3Kses program in the mid 1980s (such as the Medium Dispacement Combatant MDC) came very close to this. I have studies and Model tests getting 4000 nm at 1100lt FLD at an average speed of 50 kts with two LM2500 GT or four Allison 571 GTs. This design was equipped for full ASW with LAMPS helos with hangar and Sonar system as well as Harpoon missiles. We were getting 5-6000 nm at 20 knots.

      It is doable at 1500lt as reports show. High L/B SES with proper attention to structure limits, respond very favorably to overloading with extra fuel that usually fits easily in the sidehulls.

      The SES 200 was modified and tested a couple of times to verify the MDC design numbers very successfully.

      [Date/Time=07-25-2003 - 7:40 PM]    Name:Bill White Whitewn@speakeasy.net, [Msgid=476282]

    re; Titan Aluminum X-Craft Experiment
      I'm sure that the selection of an SES (Raytheon-Umoe team) as one of the three LCS concepts chosen for further developement had something to do with the speed/range and draft requirements/objectives. The next phase should be interesting since it is highly likely that the other two concepts will incorporate dynamically assisted lifting technology - foils and/or lifting bodies - to try and meet the same overall performance objectives.
      [Date/Time=07-28-2003 - 2:47 PM]    Name:Bill McFann bmcfann@islandengineering.com, [Msgid=477526]

    SIZING PROCEDURE OF HYDROFOIL SHIP      ViewThread
      Dear readers, I am doing my project on hydrofoil ship and really got stuck up in sizing of hydrofoil ship. Basically the hull. Please can somebody help me with it. If I can get a flow chart it would be wonderful, is it same as displacement ships, its really urgent so reply as soon as possible, you can also contact me at shankar_navy@yahoo.com thank you.
      [Date/Time=08-04-2003 - 11:59 PM]    Name:Shankar shankar_navy@yahoo.com, [Msgid=481857]

    Re; SIZING PROCEDURE OF HYDROFOIL SHIP
      Shankar,

      It would be hard to describe the sizing / design process for a hydrofoil boat via correspondence on a bulletin board as a lot of parameters would be involved. Al the same, it would be helpful to anyone who may be able to reply if you provided more specific details about your project and identify particular areas of the design you need assistance with. For example, what speed, payload, range etc do you require for the project? Is it a passenger ferry or a military patrol craft? etc.

      The process of sizing a hydrofoil is similar to a displacement ship. When a hydrofoil is hullborne, the hull displacement has to equal the weight of the ship and its load. When foilborne, the hydrofoils instead have to carry the weight of the ship. The performance of hydrofoil vessels is fairly sensitive to weight, so an accurate weight estimate is essential, and means of keeping weight to a minimum are very desirable.

      Usually, the best starting point for a ship design process is to work from a design that already exists and is known to work well. This is often referred to as the "basis ship". You can do the same for a hydrofoil. For example, if you wanted to develop a design for a 40 knot 250 passenger hydrofoil with a range of 200 nautical miles, you could get a copy of "Jane's High-Speed Marine Transportation" and look through that until you found a hydrofoil with similar performance. For this example, the Rodriquez Foilmaster at 38 knots and seating 240 passengers would be a close match. To get the two knots extra speed, you now have to bump up the installed engine power from the 2x 2000 kW Diesels that are fitted to the "basis ship". You also have to increase the passenger deck area a little to accommodate 10 extra passengers and so on. At least you have a starting point in terms of the overall dimensions and arrangement from which you can make changes as you find are necessary. Starting with a clean sheet of paper is far more difficult and means you will need to go around the "design spiral" far more times until you converge on a design that meets the requirements you set for it.

      The nearest I can think of to a flow chart for a hydrofoil design process would be the code that is embedded in the "HANDE" program for development of hydrofoil concept designs which had been prepared by the US Defense Department. There is newer code than "HANDE" available now, but it wouldn't be readily available. Some papers have been written about "HANDE" and how it works, but I guess you are not in the business of trying to re-write such a program in time to support your project?!

      Good luck with the project.
      [Date/Time=08-05-2003 - 8:49 AM]    Name:Martin Grimm seaflite@alphalink.com.au, [Msgid=481992]

    Sizing of Hydrofoil      ViewThread
      Actually I am doing my project in Hydrofoil Missile craft, I am at present stuck on the initial sizing of the hydrofoil craft. I would be really greatful if you can provide information on the weights of different weight groups of already built or designed hydrofoil crafts. The details of my project are

      displacement : 250 t
      max speed : 55 knots
      endurance : 600 knotical miles in foil borne mode

      [Date/Time=08-08-2003 - 5:05 PM]    Name:Shankar Swaminathan shankar_navy@yahoo.com, [Msgid=484412]

    Re; Sizing of Hydrofoil
      The particulars of your hydrofoil are not very different to the Patrol Hydrofoil Missile (PHM) once operated by the US Navy. >From the 1978 issue of Jane's Surface Skimmers, the following information is given regarding the PHM:

      Full Load Displacement = 235 tonnes
      Foilborne Range = in excess of 500 Nautical Miles
      Speed = in excess of 40 knots in 8-12 ft seas.

      More information about the PHM can be found in early copies of Jane's Surface Skimmers which should be available in your library. Some details of the PHM are also contained on the IHS website.

      As I have never designed a hydrofoil myself, I don't have any weight breakdown for such a craft or anything similar. It is possible that there is some information about weight breakdowns for hydrofoils in the February 1985 issue of Naval Engineers Journal (see details below) which covered the features of hydrofoils in quite good detail, including design and production of the PHM. Perhaps you can obtain a copy of that Journal at your library? I don't have it myself. To re-scale any weight data you find from one size of hydrofoil to another, I could suggest you use "Fundamentals of Naval Surface Ship Weight Estimating", a technical paper which was also once published in a copy of Naval Engineers Journal. Unfortunately, I don't know the names of the authors of that paper or which issue of the Journal that it appeared in.

      Naval Engineers Journal, Volume 97, Number 2, February 1985. ISSN 0028-1425. Published by the American Society of Naval Engineers, Inc. (ASNE). This special edition features comprehensive reviews of a range of 'advanced naval vehicles', including hydrofoils, Surface Effect Ships (SES), Wing-in-Ground Effect (WIG) craft, Air Cushion Vehicles (ACV), Small Waterplane Area Twin Hulls (SWATH), planing hulls, and modern monohulls. This is an ideal source of background information in considering the merits of different craft types for particular roles.

      Regarding design flow charts in your follow up message, I am sorry I do not have any such charts myself.

      [Date/Time=08-08-2003 - 5:07 PM]    Name:Martin Grimm seaflite@alphalink.com.au, [Msgid=484414]

    historical justification
      Try connecting with boeing and their work on the Highpoint and the continued evolution the Tarus class represent. Also research the very active role the PHM's had during the Hatian/Cuban boat people crisis. The exploits of the PHMs during the war on drugs until they were decommisioned. Don't forget the role of coastal patrol around Grenada. Request deck logs from the Naval Arcives under the freedom of information act and you should be able to get enough information from these areas. Uther items of interest are the innovative use of electronic charts introduced with HYCATS. This is probably the precursor to the current use of digital charts on most commercial and military vessals in the US.
      [Date/Time=08-12-2003 - 2:34 AM]    Name:Brian Stone stoneb001@hawaii.rr.com, [Msgid=486298]

    PHM-3 USS TAURUS      ViewThread
      The PHM's were a proud and unusually tight-knit community of sailors. They were excellent ships, killed before their time by a short-sighted Navy bureaucracy. I was privileged to serve as XO of PHM-3, and think back on those days with great pride. USS TAURUS was a great ship, with a fantastic crew, and an enviable operational record. She was the best of the lot, more reliable than most and often called upon to pick up commitments missed by broken siblings. No brag, just fact. From 1988-1990, she busted a lot of dope, and quickly saved the five survivors of a USCS helicopter crash in bad weather at night during a high-speed pursuit (which she was engaged in at the time.) She subsequently acted as SAR On-scene Commander of an eight-ship and multi-aircraft search group for the next 16 hours, winning the USCG MUC for that excellent performance. She also rescued several Cuban refugees from the Florida Straits. In 1988, her forward foil nose cone broke off in heavy seas due to repeated overstressing of the mounting tangs, caused by an immature and rash CO frequently hard turning and rapid landing her in fits of boyish abandon. A new nose cone was fabricated at Runyan Shipyard, Pensacola, FL out of 4" thick aluminum plate stock, and machined/welded/bent into shape. Other units of the class showed early symptoms of these stresses when inspected after the casualty, but it failed first on TAURUS for the reasons stated above. Ask any crew member from 1989 about being beaten severely by the anchor while foilborne at midnight off Panama in 15+ foot seas! She won the PHMRON-2 Battle "E" during that extended competitive cycle, and rightly so. Am I proud of her crew and her record? You bet.

      David Lloyd
      LCDR, USNR (ret.)
      [Date/Time=01-03-2004 - 6:02 AM]    Name:David Lloyd KristiHdrx@aol.com, [Msgid=566066]

    Re; PHM-3 USS TAURUS

    Re; PHM-3 USS TAURUS
      "Give me a fast ship for I intend to go in harm's way."

      John Paul Jones would have loved to have any one of the PHMs under his command! All the ships were a bit unique and tempermental, and each crew loved theirs the most. Being from the Gemini crew I am pretty partial to her, but IMHO serving on any of the PHMs was better than being on any other surface combatant.

      Besides a PHM, only the sight of one of the Battleships passing close aboard would pull the crew out of their racks to line the rails on whatever warship they were on, just to get a glimpse of a PHM flying past.

      It was a funny thing to encounter another PHM at sea. At first, all you could see would be a white smudge on the horizon. As she got closer slowly this gray form would take shape, perched atop this mountain of white froth. As she passed, the wake kicked up by the aft struts, combined with the main propulsor output, left a clear indication with the dramatic rooster tail of foam that something special had just flown by. Nothing else like them. Very sad that they are gone. If you served on a PHM you will really enjoy a visit to the last one left in Brunswick, MO.

      Very respectfully,

      Jon Coile
      former LT, USN
      Chief Engineer
      USS GEMINI (PHM 6)


      [Date/Time=01-05-2004 - 10:56 AM]    Name:Jon Coile jon@coile.com, [Msgid=566857]

    RC PHM-1 Pegasus

      I am in the process of undertaking the construction of a 6' Radio Controlled PHM-1 Pegasus. My father was a Chief (ETC Nosek was his rate I believe) on the first crew, and I stood on the pier as a 9 year old kid on her first arrival to Key West. (Man, how the Coast Guard scratched their heads when she broke the horizon!) I would like to know if anyone has a copy of schematics, or technical drawings for her or the others. Due to the fact that she's gone and I'll never see her fly again, I want to build one that will. Also, since some of the correspondance on your pages are dated, what ever came of the others that were due to be scrapped. Are there anymore out there. Feel free to contact me at laseredgt01@aol.com. Thanks, TDM
      [Date/Time=03-04-2004 - 3:54 PM]    Name:T.D. Mehl laseredgt01@aol.com, [Msgid=607826]

    PHM-1 Pegasus      ViewThread
      Gentlemen,
      Progress has come along nicely on the 6'6" PHM-1 Pegasus. I know have a 24" wide 6'9" block of foam in order to to start shaping the Pegasus. I have secured the required HydroJet engines to push the boat once she is 14.4" out of the water. I will build her out of carbon fiber. If the real Pegasus would do 60-70mph, I won't rest until mine will do at least that! I have the radar guns ready. I will supply pictures once ready of the boat as she progresses. If I get a RC hydrofoil to do 70mph she make the cover of magazines, everybody get ready for the stir! Anyone here remember my Dad? ETCS Lawrence Nosek, he was a Class in Bremerton, then picked up Cheif, and Snr Chf before we left Key West in approx.'83. Thanks, and all of your suggestions, and pointers have beem most helpful. Thanks, Troy Mehl
      [Date/Time=03-17-2004 - 12:30 AM]    Name:T.D. Mehl laseredgt01@aol.com, [Msgid=615561]

    Ships That Fly
      To All Fellow Hydrofoilers;

      About 10 years ago I collected a lot of material about hydrofoils and put it all together in a book called Ships That Fly. It became a story of the modern hydrofoil covering the early days of hydrofoil inventors and experimenters and taking the reader through over 150 pictures and illustrations of hydrofoils leading to those of recent years. I recently had the pages of the book scanned and put in a pdf file and placed on a CD that is being offered for sale.

      You will note that Chapter 6, The US Navy Fleet Hydrofoil-PHM, ends with a very optimistic view of PHMs in the current US Navy, and larger hydrofoils in its future. However, this was not to be. Several years following the completion of my book, Ships That Fly, there were events surrounding the US Navy PHM program that are described in an Addendum to Chapter 6. All six PHM ships were decommissioned on July 30, 1993. This was the only time the US Navy has decommissioned an entire class of ships on the same day. This addendum describes some of the events leading to this sad day for the US Navy and the hydrofoil community. Also, documented are the many attempts to save the Ship, the day of the ceremony, attempts to save the ships even after the decommissioning, and finally the subsequent disposal of the ships and their status today.

      I also collected a series of over 140 hydrofoil pictures and illustrations, and created a Hydrofoil Slide Show, entitled: A Century of Hydrofoil Development.

      All three of these files are on the CD. To find out more, log onto: http://themeyers.org/ShipsThatFly/index.html

      Best regards,

      John Meyer jr8meyer@comcast.net
      [Date/Time=03-17-2004 - 4:57 PM]    Name:John R. Meyer jr8meyer@comcast.net, [Msgid=616016]

    Re; PHM-1 Pegasus
      I knew your father. He was assigned to Training when I got to Key West in '82. He taught classes on the PHM unique Electronics such as the SPS-63 radar. He was also the resident ACS expert(knew the ACS roadmap like the back of his hand).
      [Date/Time=04-19-2004 - 3:24 PM]    Name:Chuck Shannon ChuckE68@aol.com, [Msgid=633466]

    Plainview Vet
      I found this forum on a Google search after I came across the Plainview's hulk on a recent vacation. As a member of the last active crew (Operations Specialist) I was shocked when I sighted the instantly recognizable hulk while driving west along the Columbia enroute to the Oregon coast. I pulled the car over and managed to get down a mud slick bank on a windy and rainy day to confirm that it was the Plainview. I was able to climb up the tail strut mount and board the ship, it is in sad shape. There are holes and tears in the aluminum hull and superstructure. The tail foil is laying on the mudflats aft of the ship. What a sad end to a once marvel of engineering. Although the Plainview suffered many problems as documented on this forum (mainly transmission and hydraulic systems) when it was fully operational it was an amazing ride. I personally can attest to experiencing 65 knots as a member of the navigation watch during one trail. It literally flew. Thanks for maintaining this website and answering my questions as to how this happened.
      [Date/Time=04-22-2004 - 1:56 AM]    Name:Michael Temple onedog@nventure.com, [Msgid=634838]

    Re; GEH1 Plainview being scrapped
      Don't know which is more painful...seeing the old battle-ready Plainview sitting in the mudflats or having it disappear entirely. With its passing, the memories of the Navy's hydrofoil program will get a little dimmer. When will they go out entirely?

      Greg Bender
      Plainview Chief Engineer '75-'77
      [Date/Time=05-25-2004 - 6:50 AM]    Name:Greg Bender GBender@Noesis-Inc.com, [Msgid=653536]

    AGEH-1 Plainview Plans
      Hello, I am looking for ship builder plans, or scale views/profiles of the U.S.S Plainview hydrofoil ship. I have looked around alot, and have yet to even come across some simple line drawings of the hull. Can anyone help me please? I am considering doing a radio controlled model, but would like to look over a few of the ones that had been done. I was going to do a PHM-1, but it wasn't very practical on such limited resources. The Plainview looks more practical, but I would like to see it in views/scale profiles to the scale(s) I would need before considering it completely. Any help please? Thank you much! -James H.
      [Date/Time=07-17-2004 - 10:49 PM]    Name:James H. Valkyrie@whoever.com, [Msgid=681311]


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